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The US having laxer and less border security on its border with Canada than it does on its border with Mexico, is obviously racial profiling and thus due to bigotry, since there is no other reason for this vast discrepancy (Canada is mostly white while Mexico is mostly BIPOC). “The relatively low level of security measures stands in contrast to that of the United States–Mexico border (one-third length of Canada–U.S. border), which is actively patrolled by U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel to prevent illegal migration and drug trafficking.” Wikipedia (like Canada doesn’t have drug traffickers themselves)
“While the Republican leadership in Congress focuses on the Southern border with 10,000 Border Patrol agents stationed along the 2,000-mile border with Mexico, only 1/10th that amount is on the Canadian border, a border that is 2.5 times as long as the Mexican border. Recent news stories state that people drive, walk, sail, ski, and sled across the Northern border all the time” Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren
The US barely had border security on its border with Canada before 9/11 (see here) and also passports weren’t required to go between the US and Canada before 9/11.
To not give off this obvious appearance of bigotry and double standards as mentioned above ,the US would and really should implement the same lax border security on its border with Mexico that it had on its border with Canada pre 9/11 and the US would and really should require no passport requirement for Mexicans to enter the US as it had no passport requirement for Canadians to enter the US pre 9/11.
What I wrote in the above few paragraphs and my Libertarianism plays a big part in my migration views, as you’ll see throughout my blog
My views on migration vary based on whatever the current conditions exist at the time.
I advocate protection of all workers rights no matter country of origin
I view deporting illegal immigrants for virtually any reasons in a negative light because I am not a fan of any Americans, legal or illegal emigrating from the US at all.
Americans (legal and illegal) emigrating from the US to other countries saddens me because I miss Americans (legal and illegal) when they emigrate to another country like I miss my family and friends when they die and because I feel their moving away from the US is too big of a shake up in their lives
Off the record, I do feel that illegal immigrants who trespass into the US illegally without a visa (like who cross the border illegally without anyone looking) or who go to the US on a vacation and overstay their passport , as long as they are in the US for a under a year or two, ESPECIALLY if they haven’t assimilated or even integrated ,after they are caught, they should first be given a chance to register for asylum or as a refugee using laxer criteria than we have now for asylum seekers and refugees and if they can’t meet those conditions, then they should be deported under our current system, until we implement my ideas in this section and its links.
If I went into Sweden, Germany, Canada or Australia or England illegally right now and was caught within a year or two I would be deported from those countries too
Moreover deportation is also a waste of taxpayer money
I am against smugglers (like coyotes) smuggling in illegal immigrants into the US. I believe the US should extremely increase security to prevent those smugglers from that and to shut down their smuggling businesses
The US must work in Central America to address the root causes of migration from Central America, to recognize that we don't need to sacrifice our humanity in the name of security. We also must work with Mexico to make sure that it takes its own border security seriously.
Moreover, working with our neighbors to improve security across the region is an imporant component of any policy to promote prosperity and fairness in the hemisphere. A safe and secure region will lead to a safer, more secure United States.
I also believe that the US also must engage with countries like Mexico and in Central America to address the causes that cause them to migrate to the US illegally
If I don’t sound as strongly pro migrant (even though I am Left wing on migration), its only because since I am generally against Capitalism I realize the negative effects Capitalism has on legal and illegal migrants.
For example I realize that mass illegal migration and overwhelming/endless legal migration (the type of migration where can barely afford to take care of our own people let alone overwhelming/endless migrants) is beneficial to the capitalist class and thus that makes me feel that mass illegal migration and overwhelming/endless legal migration is effectively a net negative in my eyes. Many migrants come in and take jobs away from citizens which increases unemployment
When migration that happens within a capitalist countries (like the US) sadly it can be seen as a modern day version of bondage (like in the Old South)
Back then, there was colonialist exploitation happening within a capitalist country via bondage due to similar conditions to today.
Today via mass illegal migration and overwhelming/endless legal migration, legal migrants and illegal migrants sadly end up working below minimum wage or barely minimum wage in a subsistence type existence (like construction work of migrants in some parts of the US for example) within a capitalist country not too much better or different than the type of dehumanizing capitalist worker exploitation that slaves were put through in the Old South.
A lesser but still relevant reason I don’t sound strongly pro migrant (even though I am Left wing on migration), is because I see the negative effect of migration in that migration is used to undercut wages and that migration can be detrimental to the entire working class.
Ideally, migration should be designed around the economic interests of the American people and especially Americans at the bottom of the labor market .
A study of the struggle waged by the American working class reveals that, in order to oppose their workers, the employers either bring in workers from abroad or else transfer manufacture to countries where there is a cheap labor force.
When we defeat Capitalism and usher in a more socialistic country that meshes with my economic views, I will become more pro migrant and very pro migrant
Personally and legality wise , I don’t want the US to implement my migration reform ideas below (including this moderate type of migration reform) until we clear the migration backlogs
The backlog of 600,000-plus fugitive deportee cases. The backlog of four million immigration applications of all kinds. The backlog of an estimated 100,000 FBI background checks for legal immigrant applicants. The disappearance of 111,000 citizenship applications. The above numbers are from 2007 but I am sure the numbers are similar to that today.
The Washington Post reported in 2007 that those loads of unprocessed paperwork was growing. Over a few hundred thousand immigrants who come here legally continue to wait for FBI background checks before they become naturalized.
This backlog of the legal migrants' naturalization applications (and other benefits), from 2005-2007 for example doubled to 329,160. There is also slow processing time for asylum seekers which causes delay
Thus we should fix the above mess first before we implement my migration ideas below (including this moderate type of migration reform).
We also should clear the obstacles to a Path of Citizenship for legal migrants who followed the rules before we do the same to illegal immigrants as mentioned below. Let's give legal migrants priority over illegal migrants and give them both priority by clearing the backlogs.
Personally I feel the US should implement a migration system based on the holocracy model and Dignity proposal for illegal immigrants so illegal immigrants who can’t meet the conditions of one of those systems could be able to meet the conditions of the other migration system
This holocracy model is a new tier or holocracy of longterm permanent residency that would allow immigrants who are in the US illegally who don’t meet the Dignity proposal requirements to legally attain citizenship in 18 years or so
If they register for the new tier or holocracy , illegal immigrants who have lived illegally in the country for a substantial amount of time would be able to work and live in US, while they wait to become citizens, as long as they pay taxes and don’t receive any felony convictions.
All illegal immigrants who don’t meet the holocracy model requirements might be eligible under the amnesty to get 10-year work visas so long as they pass a criminal background check, pay taxes, and continue taking an American job. The amnesty states that these illegal aliens will not be eligible for “means-tested benefits or entitlements” and must pay a fine
After holding work visas for 10 years, illegal aliens would be eligible to go through a five-year program, which includes learning English and taking civics courses, to eventually secure a green card. Once a green card is secured, illegal aliens are able to apply to become naturalized American citizens
This also includes mandatory E-Verify, funding for a “full border infrastructure system,” asylum reform, and increased interior immigration enforcement but a more progressive LPR visa program .
Moreover personally, I feel that public migration policies should incrementally move towards a different horizon of migration governance in which all people’s rights are respected. For this, we would need an elaboration of citizenship and human mobility laws that are dignified and respectful of human rights.
But to expand rights within the current regulatory framework, until we reach that horizon personally I feel the US should moderately move toward bringing back their 1870s through early 1920s migration system. Eventually when we reach that horizon we will move on from this migration system
Legality wise, I feel that the US should consider making all illegals who have lived in the US and contribute in some way to our society for at least a few years (give or take a year or two), and basically integrated “de facto legal by default” (but without publicly making such a virtue signaling proclamation, only through actions not words)
This way , there would be less bickering and divisiveness over this issue since that would be a stealth way to extremely decrease illegals in the US without deporting them or creating harsh anti immigration policies (but different than former President Ronald Reagan did it with his 1986 IRCA, in part because this wouldn’t be amnesty but a fundamental change to permanently blur or even remove the lines between legal and ‘illegal’ immigrant while retro fitting current illegals into this change by making them ‘de facto legal by default’).
Can’t complain about ‘illegal’ immigrants if there is hardly a line between legal and illegal immigrants.
We should really try to prioritize the concept of citizenship by putting the fact of residence first while we also separate access to political rights from the degree of national identification.
Giving primacy to citizenship over nationality would imply giving priority to our political society, and this would entail a less organic conception of that community, and more open. podemos
The US is the border of North America. But that cannot be translated into being the border control police. This must be translated into a fair and humanitarian vision of migration, which respects the right to migrate and the right to life. podemos
Then after decades of this, I would then want the US to go from being a Constitutional republic with states into a Communitarian Nomadic Empire (along with the rest of North America and maybe Central America) and thus have true open borders by default
This way ,people would form natural communities throughout the Nomadic Empire North America based on their connections to said communities. Moreover, their social identifies and personalities would be molded by their community relationships with some individualism thrown into the mix.
Migrants (there would be no such thing as illegal migrants in this system) to the Nomadic Empire North America would form and find their own Communitarian communes in this Nomadic Empire North America based on shared cultural values.
Eventually after decades or more of this, maybe new countries and nations might possibly possibly form/reform
In part because it looks like we can’t stop the spread of cultural corporatist imperialism (i.e Globalization) , my possible solution to our migration issues if our world continues to be globalized is for the borders of all countries being razed together creating an open world (or at worst a world where countries who didn’t raze their borders instead implemented either the Labour party UK ‘open borders’ or this subreddit’s version of open borders instead).
But first I would want to use the.path below to get there
This path to our open world would have stronger borders to avoid conflict with and capitalist influence from capitalist countries (A lot of our migrants come from Capitalist or Capitalist adjacent countries). We would inspire other countries to do the same
Strong borders mean less of that bourgeois capitalist conflict and influence (which we get now from mass migration, chain migration, illegal migration etc) as we lay the ground work for and begin to transition from a Capitalist country that sadly treats migrants like second class citizens to a open world
These stronger borders would not be for restricting migration, these stronger borders would be for restricting reverse Neoliberal/Capitalism imperialism and by extension the bourgeois and aristocratic baggage that comes with it (which by doing so will help the legal and illegal migrants who are already living in the US get richer and more equality since the closer we get to an open world the more income equality grows and barriers between classes shrink which can only happen by stronger borders to prevent capitalistic barriers to this transition) Because to do otherwise is no a bonanza to the type of managerial class people in the bourgeois or aristocratic milieu, who like, say, cheap nannies and so forth. Not so good for workers on the low end.
But during this stronger borders phase, there would be a the Conservative Party UK's Points Based Immigration System along with the US setting up a system of annual temporary citizen exchanges (trading millions of legal American citizens for citizens in other countries a year, especially in North America and Central America) .
But preferences would be given for skilled immigration under this temporary citizen exchange. These temporary citizen exchanges would not delay or hamper our phasing out of capitalism as non stronger borders would
If after temporarily re living in the US after a few years, these temporary citizen exchange migrants in the US Live together assimilate or are bicultural, are not convicted of crimes, terrorism or treason, don’t create chain migration, are ideally patriotic , show minimal knowledge of US history, government and the English language, have a steady job, are in college or the military, they can become permanent citizens of the US if they pay a one time exchange to permanent citizen tax and renounce their citizenship of their previous country to make their permanent residency official
This would be done to create a open world that will be extremely more pro migrant than our current capitalist country with lax or open borders can ever be. A little less migration NOW for MUCH MORE migration in the future
Think of this like putting a tourniquet on a huge wound to stop the bleeding, here strong borders would stop the bleeding done by the commidifaction and abuses of capitalism , allowing our country to move to become part of an open world at which time the bleeding (ie the cronies of capitalism) will stop and we will be in open world utopia with open borders and as pro of a migrant country as we can have.
This will be all thanks to us transitioning from Capitalism to an open world which cannot be done with the pettiness of capitalism pouring into our country via mass migration, illegal migration and chain migration
So everything I write above is for the US until we usher in an open world and also because I am being contrarian (being too pro migrant is a mainstream ‘liberal’ view to have, being like I am on migration is contrarian).
Eventually as Capitalism is phased out and socialism is reigned in, we would relax some of the criteria for settlement, the criteria for residence and work permits and reestablish legal and safe pathways podemos
Then I would want the borders of all countries on Earth to be razed together creating an open world (or at worst all countries on Earth who don’t raze their border, implement either the Labour party UK ‘open borders’ or this subreddit’s version of open borders instead).
Since I am against North Korea and the Soviet bloc forbidding emigration, I have no choice but to be against countries forbidding immigration, even illegal immigration , so I don’t look like a hypocrite
Freedom of movement is a right as history has shown and this would fundamentally fix the bigger issue surrounding migration once and for all (no border world/open world is better than open borders in a few or some countries). After the travel restrictions in the last few years, it is easy to embrace the freedom of movement line of thinking
One way to make the open planet thing work would be to have our planet literally become one country (which would also create an open planet by default) and all 7.5 billion people on Earth could even be incentivized to move to a far away random place on Earth (basically every town and city on Earth would be reshuffled to consist entirely of transplants from dozens to hundreds of random countries on Earth with possibly a very few people native to the area living in said towns/cities)
All cities and towns on Earth would be rebooted and have the very similar demographics as each other city and town on Earth as is the case in existing countries. Think of this as a real life city town randomizer
This could mean the Earth would be literally gentrified (ending cultural shock forever) as the whole planet would be culturally and demographically similar (as most states and provinces in existing countries are culturally and demographically similar to other states and provinces in those existing countries.
This is the most unique way to unite Earth and all people on Earth, to be united as the people of Earth in the movie Independence Day were united.
Like in some Speculative Fiction set in The Future, it might be the natural order of things that all governments will merge together to create a central authority to govern the entire planet.
Some examples of this concept include All the Troubles of the World, Apocalypse film series, Barbarella, Bicentennial Man, The Fifth Element, The Starship Troopers, Space Truckers, The Omega Code, Z.P.G, Babylon 5, Doctor Who: In "Last of the Time Lords", Firefly, the Alliance, Intergalactic, The Orville, The Outer Limits (1995), seaQuest DSV, Star Trek. See this for more
In real life, the United Nations was a possible choice for fulfilling this one planet country to function before the organization was created in the role that it serves today. In fiction, alien planets most of the time have only one government.
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If that is impractical we should as an alternative, have the United States ,Mexico and Central America form a supranational nation (similar to the European Union or European States of Europe) which would by default make the vast majority of illegals who are currently living in the US 'legal' and treat migration between the US and those countries as migration between EU countries is treated.
I'd also want every few years for there to be a mandatory Brexit type vote for the US, Mexico and those Central American countries in said supernational union to decide if they want to stay or pull out of this suprnational union, similar to Britain's Brexit vote years back.
This would mean no border checks between North America Union countries or states . However, the migration policies to this North America Union countries or states from outside of North America would mesh with Left wing European borderhawks migration views/platform fused with the Bush’s Center’s migration views/platform
I would like to see the currency of the US become more universalized.
My views on whether I believe that illegal immigrants should vote are reflected by my views in this section of my blog and in similar sections of my blog
I am Left Wing on migration, and while the cosmopolitan argument here doesn’t make me support closed borders, it does make me open minded to coming right a bit on migration where I would support this moderate type of migration reform or even where I could if pushed ever so slightly look the other way (but not endorsing) if the US ever requires a small fee for illegal immigrants who are in the US less than 7 years to vote (until they become legal then its free).
To open border people who think I am too harsh on migration, if someone broke into your house and was living in your attic for a few years and they got settled in and you caught them living there, what would you do?
Illegal Immigrants should NOT have more rights than legal citizens. They should have the same rights
Illegal Immigrants should NOT have easier access healthcare than legal citizens do , they should have the same access
Illegal immigrants should NOT have easier accesss to welfare and UBI than legal citizens do, they should have the same access
Illegal immigrants and refugees don't commit more or less crime/violent crime than legal citizens.
Maybe we can get all Trump extremists (like the ones mentioned by John Brennan and GWB in 2021) to self deport and only be allowed to move back to the US when they become deradicalized
This quote could help borderhawks and ‘xenophobes’ be inclusive to migrants
by Mark Twain “ Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime” Which means that travel allows people to stop being bigoted and xenophobic and instead focus their fears on things that are truly scary and a threat to us
In our world, I believe that migrants to the US should learn English
I am symbolically okish (I guess )with The Keep Families Together Act https://www.king.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/king-colleagues-introduce-legislation-to-halt-separation-of-immigrant-families . Though making it a tad more conservative wouldn’t hurt
This shows how Liberal 2.0ers can be hypocrites on the ‘reunite kids at the border with their families’
I am pissed at AOC and the Squad for not doing more to prevent 45 and Joe Biden from putting kids in cages. But those were not concentration camps, and Barack Obama built those cages, Biden kept using them. Three wrongs don’t make a right
I support allowing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to be notified when illegal immigrants attempt to purchase guns
I am ok with the Zapatistas
I lay down my arms and accept more funding for the US ports of entry, fixing tech on our borders and updating our eco and environmental protections in areas like the Rio Grande.
People can move to Japan not become Japanese ,people can move to Britain but not become British but people can move to America and become American. That is a message some hardliners on migration need to get. Optimism trumps determinism
I support Australia like Jus soli
I support Malcolm Turnbull’s migrant exchange with the US (assuming the migrants were vetted enough)
I condone Australia’s hardline immigration laws under Scott Morrison in 2020 and 2021 since in 2020 and 2021 Australia needed to heavily restrict immigration
Migrants and refugees in Europe don’t commit more crime per say than legal citizens in Europe, but they need to be crime fighters crime in Europe to erase the false myth that they do commit more crime.
In Europe only, I believe the number of refugees to be accepted needs to be determined through negotiations. For the US, I am more liberal on refugees as seen in this blog
I want every migrant, refugee and illegal immigrant to be peaceful and possibly be peacekeepers in their communities. I am glad Sweden deports and then permenantly bans terrorists from going back their country after they are out of prison
However, I view a few of the relatively rare migrant criminals, refugee criminals and illegal immigrant criminals in Europe as Sympathetic Anti Villains with Blue and Orange Morality (like the ones in Sweden) .
Maybe this is for Left Acceleration reasons (to make Europe become more pro migrant but in my type of way) or because I don't think those migrants and refugees know better.
I do believe that the rare bad apple migrants, refugees and illegals in Europe should be pushed to join youth centers or to join YMCAs or similar community organizations to intergrate themselves and connect with people instead of doing criminal acts to people.
Many of those criminal migrants and refugees in Europe should do rap battles, MMA, religious debating, becoming activists or politicians to inspire change, military service, and similar positive things instead of felony or terrorist acts.
I support a soft repeal of the Schengen Agreement if there are terror attacks in Europe with maybe a common sense bipartisan update to the Dublin regulation in said scenerio
I don’t think the governments of Europe should sea taxis to bring migrants to Europe since I am a Libertarian and less government involved in things the better. I am not against migrants coming to Europe I am just against the governments funding those sea taxis
I do not support the United Nations migrant treaty
I don't believe that churches should snitch on illegal immigrants because that would be against God
Remember Jesus quote in the bible about David stealing the bread? I feel that is needed to provide nuance to the illegal immigration debate.
I am not a supporter of sanctuary states as my migration ideas in this blog are much better than sanctuary state ideas
I am ok with Texas and Florida busing illegal immigrants to blue states.
It is better than deporting them. (though these views on.this forum ,which I agree with too, balance those views I have a bit)
Since I also am ok with Joe Biden flying illegal immigrants into the US each day in the middle of the night (since Biden flying illegal immigrants into the US each day in the middle of the night seems like some cool Cold War era stealth or secret US government type of act that the US government would have done during the Cold War within the US like Area 51 type of stealth and secret), I am bound by being ok with that to also be ok this (otherwise I would be a hypocrite)
Even at worst, the red states busing illegal immigrants to northern states is still not human trafficking , but there could be other charges filed against red states for those busings. However some illegal immigrants do traffic in other people over the border, so that is literal human trafficking but Liberal 2.0s don’t seem so concerned with that but they should be
It does suck that those illegal immigrants are being toyed with and used as political pinatas . The well being of those illegal immigrants should be the number one concern before anything else
You can’t throw red state Republicans in prison for these illegal immigrant busings because the Republican party is the new mafia, and you can’t take down the mob (unless you are Rudy Guilani)!!
The blue states should bus prison inmates to the red states as payback for red states busing illegal immigrants to blue states
I am against all xenophobia, no matter which side it comes from
Here is my hot take post on a border ‘wall’
The reason I am not ra ra on open borders as radgeek is because of this :
Thevalorization of free movement as the neat right of families to 'pick up and migrate across the world to start new lives' is a distraction from the truth that a lot of people who migrate are forced to migrate because of the actions of those countries that they are migrating to.
The majority of people really do want to live in their home countries and the fact that poor people in the global south are forced to migrate due to economic instability and imperialism, colonialism, warmongering and intervention by world powers needs to be looked at as a tragedy. But instead people in the first world get the chance to feel like enlightened global citizens because they are joyful for those immigrants being here at the bottom of the ladder. As seen above, going to open borders requires a practical set up and commonsense paradigm shift before we get to that point of opening our borders nd planet
I am against the US using emergency border funding
The border should be tougher to prevent fentanyl from illegally coming into the US . Average Americans are the ones who are overdosing on fentanyl . To Liberal 2.0ers, it doesn’t matter if normal people get screwed since they allow such drugs like Fentanyl to come pouting in without being on high alert to confiscate it
Illegal immigrants don’t commit more or less crime (or violent crime) than legal citizens according to nearly nearly every study by mainstream researchers and academics
Sanctuary cities have the exact same amount of crime (including violent crime and robbery) as non Sanctuary cities according to nearly nearly every study by mainstream researchers and academics.
Cities with high amounts of migrants (legal and illegal) have the exact same amount of crime (including violent crime and robbery) as cities with low amounts of migrants (legal and illegal) according to nearly nearly every study by mainstream researchers and academics.
We need to implement my migration ideas so we don’t need to give illegal immigrants free healthcare
I supported the Jeremy Corbyn Brexit for the UK and I am glad that the UK left the EU
The market-liberal case for me supporting Brexit fuses together my view that eliminating a level of government is usually good; my generalized skepticism of distant and central authority; and my specific beliefs about the planning, socialist, or overregulatory propensities of the EU, particularly relative to the UK.
The EU is antidemocratic which is an issue. The EU does bring one good thing to its workers: it gives its workers freedom of movement. It is vital for a working class revolution not to be limited to the national borders. It’s important that we organize internationally. So ironically the EU trying to suppress the working class does deliver us the greatest tool for overthrowing it. We gain strength in numbers.
I am against NAFTA
I am a soft Euroskeptic
I am against the TPP for the same reasons Bernie Sanders is against it
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